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Actually, anyone can play, but I'm assuming the writerly types may be more interested, and I'm not sure how to phrase my own interest to promote full inclusiveness (I'll try, with Question #2).

#1 a)When you are writing a canon character, to what extent do you rely on strict canon, headcanon, or fanon? b)If you have written multiple stories with a particular canon character, to what extent are they representations of your headcanon? Do you write the character differently (motivations, appearance, quirks, personality, etc) in different pieces, or are they essentially the same person?

#2 a)When you are reading fanfic, how important is it to you to recognize the characters as they occur in fanon -- and does this correlate with how close their fanon representation is with your headcanon? b)Have you ever read something that is not in accordance with your headcanon, but is written well enough that you suspend disbelief and accept the representation within that authorial universe? How common is that for you?

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Date: 2017-01-03 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] traverse.livejournal.com
#2 a) Headcanon all the way. Mine is a spectrum though, so I like to think that I give the author/work quite a lot of leeway. Some fanon though is definitely off the spectrum.
b) I did, but 1) the representation needs to be in some way appealing even if not entirely in agreement with my own; 2) the story must be good plotwise. I have even been known to occasionally forgive 'obsidian eyes' for that.

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Date: 2017-01-03 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Some fanon though is definitely off the spectrum.

Lord Snape, handsome Byronic hero with a fetish for giving Hermione a makeover... that's just not your cup of tea?

(I have, to my regret, encountered this one in its entirety.)

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Date: 2017-01-03 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] traverse.livejournal.com
Got it in one... Wait... Makeover?! Tell me it ain't true.

There are a few interpretations that make me cringe (and possibly stop reading), but I am not sure how far they can be considered 'fanon' and not individual variations.

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Date: 2017-01-03 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Tell me it ain't true.

I think she needed to look appropriately pureblooded, or something. I don't know. There were M.A.C. products. I couldn't follow the writing, which tells you everything you need to know about its caliber, and why I don't read fic much anymore (in addition to just having a rule that I don't read fic when actively working on my own).

There are a few interpretations that make me cringe

Oh, now I need details. Do continue, hmmmm?

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Date: 2017-01-03 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] traverse.livejournal.com
Ah, it's not very interesting. It's a combination of personally off-putting and vastly implausible in different proportions. Suave sophisticated Snape who plays piano, paints, composes sonnets etc. Verbose Snape vomiting out a thesaurus he had unwisely eaten for breakfast. Snape speaking like a Dales farmer immediately taking me into some weird version of All Creatures Great and Small. Dom!Snape. SuperUgly!Snape. Sassy!Hermione. PoorAbused!Harry. For that matter, AbusiveOgre!Snape parents. Saint!Lily.

The rest of my dislikes are probably down to the plot and structure. Lately, I am getting annoyed whenever I see 'having mindblowing sex practically non-stop while still somehow finding time and opportunity to run a school and hunt horcruxes'.
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Date: 2017-01-03 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eoforyth.livejournal.com
Though you have to admit, putting that last on your CV would certainly get it noticed :D

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] traverse.livejournal.com
Haha, but whether in a good or bad way would probably depend on the vacancy :)

I now wish somebody wrote a story about this, it should be hilarious :D

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundungus42.livejournal.com
Oh lordy, Traverse, I LOLed at your vastly implausible list. Although now I feel this weird temptation to write Snape into a HP mash-up with Babe just for the pleasure of hearing him say, "That will do, Potter. That will do."

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Where is [livejournal.com profile] mywitch?!?! Because that image is just screaming for her beautiful brand of crack!art

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] traverse.livejournal.com
:))) This is now begging to be written.

For that matter, an ACGAS mash-up does not sound that preposterous either. A new vet with a mysterious past and a sarcastic manner turning up in Darrowby would fit right in. Especially as he would have to work with a disgraced Minister Fudge and a Doctor Who incognito.

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Oh. my. god. #wouldread Can't write b/c WIPs are a thing. *glares firmly at keyboard*

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Date: 2017-01-04 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundungus42.livejournal.com
*cracks up* Imagining his first encounter with Trickie Woo's flop bot. And the title might have to come from Monty Python:

All things dull and ugly
All creatures short and squat
All things rude and nasty
The good lord made the lot

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Date: 2017-01-04 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Good on you for volunteering to write this, Mun42. *grins*

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Date: 2017-01-04 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] traverse.livejournal.com
I was howling in the night, reading this. Wonder what the next door thought.

Looking forward to reading all about Trickie-Woo and Uncle Snape. :D

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Date: 2017-01-03 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eoforyth.livejournal.com
#1 I try and write canon characters as close to canon as the exposure allows - some characters are little more than cameos in whatever story - be it book, film, game, comic, song - they are from, though I have to admit my headcanon kicks a few more annoying little details under the carpet than it ought to and tries not to trip over it for the duration. I am also happy enough to vary a character from piece to piece if the journey I take them on beyond canon involves events that would modify their behavior or appearance.

#2 I can't bear the Mary Sue or similar that is a (usually not very good or original) creation of the writer with a canon name papered to it. On the other hand, I've enjoyed some good parodies of the sort. A well written thing will draw me in regardless of my personal headcanon. It is commonly my way to give them a go, but sadly they can be thin on the ground these days. It is nice to sit down and actually have to read something rather than scanning through once in a while :)

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Mary Sue [...] canon name papered to it.

Hah, yes. And her counterpart, Gary Stu, who is the charming (or other adjective) boyfriend everyone wants.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me!

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Date: 2017-01-03 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenaa1987.livejournal.com
#1 Oh, hmm. I don't know! I think for me I have perhaps a few similar threads in each character when I write, but don't ask me what they are, because I couldn't name them. I write for a situation, and then how the characters come out is how they come out. ETA, upon scanning above -- I think I have some interests that are the same mostly across the board. E.G in my own mind, Snape goes hand in hand with music *shrugs*

#2 I feel like this is irrelevant for me, as I don't buy into IC/OOC arguments. I have no issue with taking a character in whatever way the author pleases. I may not choose to read it, but not because of finding it not workable or the like, just because the plot device itself might not be something I'm into, or SPaG. Snape being alive is already a massive canon adjustment -- anything else that an author chooses to use is small compared to that. All fan-fiction is original fiction that is based in someone else's fanbox (although, OK, I did once read something that was just ALL [and I mean all, not even a scene] JKR's dialogue copied down with their own written-in reactions, and that was my line lol!).

I read things presented differently to how I might imagine all the time. I'm here to enjoy myself, after all, and unless there's s few of me walking around, I'm never going to find a story written how I'd want it to be written.

I also think that sometimes it can take the enjoyment out of things - if we have such a solid view that everyone else's is taken down a few notches. (I'm not referring to you btw, just a random 'you' that fits for things I've seen mostly on FB when I was there)
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Date: 2017-01-03 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
I also think that sometimes it can take the enjoyment out of things

Agreed. For myself, I'm always willing to set aside my headcanon (I even frequently set aside my headcanon when writing), as long as the author does not baseline assume that the way they see the character is the way everyone does. If they go to some lengths to create a compelling background, motivations, and ... y'know, just generally develop the character, I'm in.

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Date: 2017-01-03 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gelsey.livejournal.com

I need to come to this soon because I have all the thoughts but a tiny phone keyboard.

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
Looking forward to it!

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundungus42.livejournal.com
1. I always revisit canon when writing and adhere to the details therein as strictly as possible (unless I'm writing an AU), though I feel free to subvert and/or expand on it in ways that interest me. F'rinstance, in the books, Harry and Ron describe Pansy Parkinson as having a pug nose, which denotes flat/smushed, but film Pansy has a very pert and pointy nose. So I once wrote a fic in which Pansy points out that Ron is actually thinking of a chihuahua and not a pug, and Ron calls her Chiquita for the rest of the story. I find adherence to canon freeing, really, because it gives me walls to bounce between. My headcanon versions of the characters I write most often vary quite a bit based on the story, largely because they will have had very different life experiences depending on when I write them, the things that have happened to them outside of canon, and their personal circumstances. And sometimes I choose to play up a character's skills and flaws depending on the needs of the story. But they all fit within my squishy and flexible headcanon, otherwise, I wouldn't like the story very much.

2. I'm willing to give writers a lot of leeway to characterize as they see fit within the style/genre they're writing, especially since I've read (and reread) tons of fics that were written before the canon concluded (books and TV mostly). I mean, fics with Aristocratic!Snape were HUGE before we found out Snape was a half-blood, and they still enjoy a measure of popularity today, even though they've been thoroughly canon-shafted. I personally love it when an author has a well-written, canon-or-research-grounded interpretation of a character that's completely different from what I would write. It's like looking at the canon through a kaleidoscope and having no idea what beautiful thing you're going to see next (e.g. epic poly-genderqueer-crossdressing socialist Steve Rogers? TELL ME MORE!). That said, I have a really picky ear for dialogue, so unless there's a really good reason for a character to have radically different modes of speech from canon (e.g., an AU or historical setting), I'm going to lose patience with clunky/OOC dialogue pretty quickly. And in AUs, if I can't find any vestige of the original character in the story, I might as well be reading something else. Both are back-button issues for me, and I can usually figure out in a few paragraphs whether or not it's going to be worth my while to read further. It's common that I'll stop reading a story, but then I'll just keep looking for something else.

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Date: 2017-01-03 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
epic poly-genderqueer-crossdressing socialist Steve Rogers? TELL ME MORE!

You mean this isn't a thing, yet? tsk

It's like looking at the canon through a kaleidoscope and having no idea what beautiful thing you're going to see next

That's it, precisely. For myself, there are plenty of pieces that I've enjoyed on the merits of the writing or plot alone, without any strict adherence to canonical interpretations.

Thanks for detailing all of your thoughts on this; it's deeply interesting seeing everyone's responses.

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Date: 2017-01-04 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundungus42.livejournal.com
You mean this isn't a thing, yet? tsk

Oh, it is. :D :D :D

I'm enjoying what everyone has to say, too. Especially ACGAS crackfic spitballing and Byronic Snape wanting to make over Hermione with MAC cosmetics (thank you for reading that so we don't have to).

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Date: 2017-01-04 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zigadenus.livejournal.com
thank you for reading that so we don't have to

Happy to have been of service. I wish it had been crack. It would probably have been delightful in that case.

ETA: OMG that rec!!!! Thank you! I haven't time to read the lot of it now, but even a few paragraphs is enough to assure me the author knows what they're doing. Looking forward to reading it in full, soonest.
Edited Date: 2017-01-04 12:51 am (UTC)

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Date: 2017-01-04 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mundungus42.livejournal.com
May the powers protect us from unintentional crackfic. *sporfles*

I just started re-reading it, too. SO MUCH LOVE!
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